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Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« on: July 14, 2013, 09:44:32 AM »


Obviously I couldn't (ever) afford to buy a Gibson, so was looking for alternatives. Seen it so many times lately, get a Vintage V100 instead of a Epiphone.  Some say the vintage has better build quality than the Epiphone, some say it's poorly put together with screws in the wrong sized holes etc, but the overall finish is better.

I'm still thinking in terms of Value for money, sound from the Wilkinson hardware and electronics, and looks, the Vintage still comes out top.

So, a couple of questions: Anyone had any experience of these guitars, and which one would you recommend and why??



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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2013, 05:02:53 PM »
Don't know about the Vintage, other than what I have read (I did consider one), but I do have a recently acquired Epiphone Prophecy Les Paul Custom GX in Black Cherry (following a visit from the birthday fairy and saving up for the best part of a year). Oddly it was 20% less expensive here than in the UK (less in Euros than in £s), otherwise I would have gone for the Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus Pro.

The finish on the Prophecy is beautiful for the price. There are a couple of tiny, and I mean tiny, details that are not quite right, but I had to look really hard to find them.  Obviously I spent some time setting it up to the way I wanted it, but it was fine out of the box even if the strings were not quite up to it. I have changed them for 010 Ernie Balls, but I will change them again to d'Addarios because my Harley Benton LP copy has those and I prefer them.

Which brings me to a Les Paul recommendation. My Prophecy is quite wonderful in my eyes, I'm a sucker for good looks and it plays beautifully and as the adverts say it has a fast neck. But, and it is a big but, I also really like my Harley Benton 450 despite the dodgy finish in places and the bit of resoldering I had to do when I first got it. It too has Wilkinson pickups, looks a million dollars (if you don't look too closely), plays well, has a big fat sound and the longest sustain of all of the guitars I have. It has a set neck, solid mahogany body and neck with a rosewood fingerboard. All in all it bats well above its price bracket. Until I got the Prophecy it was the guitar I played most often. It's so cheap that you'll have loads left over for a decent amplifier too!

Have you looked at a Chapman from Andertons? Possibly a bit metal?

The upshot is that lower priced guitars these days are generally extremely well made and even if the QC is a bit lacking from time to time the underlying products are better than ever. So I'm sure whichever one you go for you'll be more than chuffed with it.
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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 10:11:44 AM »
The upshot is that lower priced guitars these days are generally extremely well made and even if the QC is a bit lacking from time to time the underlying products are better than ever. So I'm sure whichever one you go for you'll be more than chuffed with it.

I have to say I agree with this. I also have a couple of Epi's (Although not an LP) and I swear by them, rather than at them.

The only way you are going to know for sure is to play the guitars though. Even if you then buy one online go and find a shop and get some wood in your hands!

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 01:54:25 PM »
That certainly sounds good Mick. I'm still going to keep my view that the Epiphone Prophecy is excellent value for money, but for a whole lot less one of the Thomann Harley Benton 450 or 500 ranges are hard to beat. They have excellent Wilkinson pickups and just play so well. I have a Honey Burst 450L. And I can't play anything like the guy in this video - probably  never will - hey ho!

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 08:24:09 AM »
That certainly sounds good Mick. I'm still going to keep my view that the Epiphone Prophecy is excellent value for money, but for a whole lot less one of the Thomann Harley Benton 450 or 500 ranges are hard to beat. They have excellent Wilkinson pickups and just play so well. I have a Honey Burst 450L. And I can't play anything like the guy in this video - probably  never will - hey ho!

Howard, I must say those Harley Benton's look really nice actually. They seem awfully cheap (pricewise) though.  Does that reflect in the build quality in your opinion?  And what's the difference between the 450 and 500 just out of interest?
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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 05:09:06 PM »
You're right Mick the prices seem incredible. Obviously they are Chinese made, and yes, mine does have a few small cosmetic flaws. But the sound is stunningly good as is the playability, after set up, which you realistically have to do with any guitar you don't get from a music shop. I have also changed the strings on mine to my favourite brand.

The difference between the 450 Plus (the 'plus' is important) and the 500 is the gold plated hardware on the latter, and the body wood. The 450 Plus is all mahogany and the 500 is lime body and mahogany neck. Both have set necks. The 450 without the 'plus' also has a lime body.

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2014, 08:27:23 PM »
I've had a few students using the Vintage, including adults who could easily afford an Epiphone. I have a lovely Epi LP, and it's my pride and joy!! Having said that, it doesn't produce every sound I'm looking for... Also, the Vintages are great, affordable instruments which deserve to be taken seriously-they certainly encourage more new players to get started. I'd encourage anyone to try one!!   8)

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 07:37:40 AM »
Definitely worth trying some out if you can. LPs have a very distinct sound from the mahogany and the humbuckers. If you need a huge variety of sounds then get a couple of the more decent cheapies - yes I recommend the Wilkinson equiped HB 450L Plus for the Les Paul choice on a small budget - but you will also 'need' a single coil equiped Squier Strat (the Affinity* range seem to be currently made in Indonesia and are well made, but forget trying to use the cheap trem, just screw the bridge down) for those more jangly American sounds. I replaced the HSS scratch plate on my Strat with a 3 Wilkinson 'hot' single coil set, about £25 on ebay if I recall correctly. Very distinctive sound, harsh and dirty, not achievable with a Les Paul, which always sound smoother.

And yes, my Epi Les Paul Prophesy GX is my pride and joy guitar too  ;)

*I've seen these second hand in the cash converters shop for less than £70.

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 12:25:17 PM »

And yes, my Epi Les Paul Prophesy GX is my pride and joy guitar too  ;)

*I've seen these second hand in the cash converters shop for less than £70.

I'll be checking out the S/H market when the time comes. Very soon I hope.

On my shortlist so far, I have.

Epiphone Prophecy Les Paul Custom Plus GX
Epiphone Les Paul Tribute Plus
Epiphone Les Paul Standard PlusTop PRO
Vintage V100

Haven't got a clue what amp to go for yet.  Call me indecisive.  :D
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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2014, 08:16:14 AM »
Definitely going for the Les Paul then Mick. I'm sure you'd be more than happy with any of those on your list. LATER: Forgot to say Mick - coil tapping. On the Prophesy this is a very effective way of altering the sound of the guitar on the cleaner sounds. Could save you having to by a Strat copy too.  ;) Do any of the other guitars on your list have coil tapping?

As for amplifiers. I've tried a good few out in the music shop, mostly modelling amps because the Valve amp I would like is a) the size of a goat and b) weighs about the same as a small car - THIS.

Anyway, I digress. The modelling amps are all pretty much of a muchness, just down to personal preference. I went for the Mustang 3 for a number of reasons:
1) Huge variety of sounds
2) F me it's loud
3) Fender Fuse
4) Easy to customise sounds either on the amp itself or via Fuse when plugged into the PC (more parameters are available)
5) Weighs about the same as bunch of bananas
6) IMHO really good VFM

I'm actually just about to trade my Mk1 in for a Mk2 as I want the DI outs for recording (the Fender ASIO is a customised version of ASIO4All and doesn't work with my set up) and the additional amp models. I'm just mucking about really, but I enjoy myself.  ;D

As you know I picked up a Roland D60 for a song, fantastic clean sound, but the way the effects work (still the same in the Cube XL range) is not helpful - you can only have two at a time and they are global. The Peavey Vipers, Vox and Line 6s also sound very good. Just a matter of taste. Whatever you settle on, be it a solid state, modelling or otherwise, or a valve beastie I'm sure you'll have loads of fun.
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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2014, 06:36:48 PM »

 coil tapping. On the Prophesy this is a very effective way of altering the sound of the guitar on the cleaner sounds. Could save you having to by a Strat copy too.  ;) Do any of the other guitars on your list have coil tapping?


Howard, the Epiphone Les Paul Tribute Plus does have coil tapping, it's around the same price as the Prophecy tbh.  And also comes with a Gibson hard case.  Here's the spec.

SPECIFICATIONS
Body Material = mahogany
Top Material = Carved Hard maple
Neck = mahogany
Neck Options = 1960s SlimTaper™
Neck Joint = Vintage “Deep Set” glued-in
Dimensions = 24.75” scale
Nut width = 1.68”
Fingerboard = rosewood with pearloid trapezoid inlays with 22 medium jumbo frets
Fingerboard radius = 12”
Pickups = Gibson USA ’57 Classic Humbucker 4-wire (neck) and Gibson USA ’57 Classic Plus Humbucker, 4-wire (bridge)
Controls = Switchcraft 3-way pickup selector, Neck Pickup Volume, Bridge Pickup Volume, Neck Pickup Tone (push/pull/series parallel), Bridge Pickup Tone (push/pull/series parallel)
Binding = Fingerboard 1 ply, cream
Bridge = Locktone Tune-o-matic™/Stopbar
Hardware = Nickel
Machine Heads = Grover® Locking Rotomatic 106 Series 18:1 Tuners

Compared to the Prophecy GX

SPECIFICATIONS
Body = Mahogany
Top = Quilt Maple
Neck = Mahogany
Neck Shape = SpeedTaper™ D-Profile Satin Finish
Neck Joint = Glued-in set neck
Scale = 24.75"
Frets = 24, jumbo
Fingerboard = Rosewood
Fingerboard Radius = 14"
Binding Mother of pearl stickpin on headstock face
Mother of pearl and abalone block and triangle on 1,3,5,7,9,12, & 15th fret
Mother of pearl blocks on 17, 19, 21, and 24th fret
Nut Width =1.68
Nut = Material Graphite
Machine Heads = Grover® 14:1
Neck Pickup = Gibson USA 490R humbucker
Bridge Pickup = Gibson USA 498T humbucker
Controls = 1-neck volume with push/pull coil tapping
1-neck tone
1-bridge volume with push/pull coil tapping
1-bridg tone
Pickup selector = Epiphone all-metal 3-way toggle
Knobs = Metal barrel with mother of pearl inlaid tops
Bridge = LockTone™ Tune-o-matic
Tailpiece = LockTone™ Stopbar
Output jack = Epiphone Exclusive non-rotating heavy duty output jack
Straplocks = Epiphone exclusive

As for the amp, I haven't given up on the mustang idea, just need to check out all the options.  Not sure if I want to go all valve with pedals, or get a modelling amp, atm.  I'll try some out.  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2014, 08:21:37 PM »
That LP Tribute looks very tasty. You've given yourself a difficult choice. I think that I would still go with the Prophesy because the 2 octave neck makes it a bit easier to play up the 'dusty end'. But I'd be happy with either :tup:

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Re: Epiphone LP or Vintage V100?
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 01:03:20 PM »
That LP Tribute looks very tasty. You've given yourself a difficult choice. I think that I would still go with the Prophesy because the 2 octave neck makes it a bit easier to play up the 'dusty end'. But I'd be happy with either :tup:

OK H, you talked me into it.  Mine's a Black Cherry one though, or it should be when it arrives.  8)
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 02:21:02 PM »
Mine's Black Cherry too. Oooh, twinnies!

I'm sure you'll be in the clouds when it turns up. The hard case should keep it in perfect condition through the mail.

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 02:33:33 PM »
Mine's Black Cherry too. Oooh, twinnies!

I'm sure you'll be in the clouds when it turns up. The hard case should keep it in perfect condition through the mail.

Thanks, I'm itching to get my hands on it now.  :) The Black cherry looks lovely imo, I really didn't like the look of the Cherry Sunburst for some reason, it doesn't do it for me at all.

Did you put straplocks on yours? (I'm sure it doesn't have them as standard).
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